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John Kirsch's avatar

If a story doesn't make sense, it's a lie.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

Absolutely, John. Thanks.

Mike's avatar

I don't recall who said it, maybe Mark Twain, "TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN FICTION because fiction at least has to make sense."

Here in Post-Constitutional America, lies and truth may both be senseless.

Robert's avatar

A long time ago, there was a President who made the cover of a well-known" newsmagazine.

A cartoon about him (1978) had G. Washington saying his famous quote, "I cannot tell a lie." Next to it was a cartoon of Nixon saying, "I cannot tell the truth." The 1978 President is quoted in the last cartoon with his toothy grin, "I cannot tell the difference!" Never forgot that political truth! Par for the course, and it's been that way ever since!

Mike's avatar

That may actually have been the Deep-State-Media complex projecting upon Nixon.

Will Food Forest Permaculture's avatar

most folks don't know that Watergate was a false flag operation designed to give us the FEELING, feeling only, that we the people had the power to protest, put pressure on the system, and be victorious, getting the bad apple tricky dick to step down- and thereby also proving that "our" system actually works, especially in contrast to the limited freedoms of communist regimes... yeah ellsberg was like Ed Snowjob Snowden, and in a nutshell, the whole Watergate thing took some heat off the greater uncle Sam sham Vietnam &etc, and transferred it onto naval intelligence agent Richard "milhous" Nixon... soon to be replaced by career CIA agent Gerald Rudolf Ford, fresh from lying on the Warren commission for those Jews namely Tibor Rosenbaum, Meyer Lansky, and that Rothschild fella who killed jfk for standing up to jisraels dimona nukes... I recall reading up on the details years ago about how Nixon's job in ww2 was giving Nazis new uniforms and business cards when they entered the US and that he met some powerful individuals back then who made his career in politics for him. he was great friends with the dulles' way back then...... he had also started talking shit about the Jews in charge shortly before they made him fall on his sword for their empire. yeah I've been living in Humboldt county CA for 35+ years with all the old hippies and lefty activists and its kinda funny how few folks who actually lived through those times have the slightest inkling of how or why Watergate even could possibly have been a psyop, let alone any awareness of the mountain of incontrovertible evidence that proves it... and so many other things like how Jews did 911 & 10/7 etc. yeah Snowjob Snowden what was the overall effect of his revelations, to the common man? it was like Archie to Edith bunker "STIFLE!"- don't look at any controversial websites because big brother is watching and you could lose your job, or god forbid, even get shunned on social media by your (retarted and brainwashed) friends... so the whole Snowjob psyop was designed to get us to SELF CENSOR, which makes their job laughably easier. we don't even want to try to know the truth hahaha. and yeah ellsberg similarly was just leaking the stuff that the Jew masterminds behind it all wanted us to know... guys like ellsberg, Nixon, and Snowden, they don't even need to know that they are being used like that, although they might know more, or less, about the hidden hand

Mike's avatar

You sound like you could answer a question no one else seems to be able to. It's a sincere question, I do not actually know the answer. But, first, I do not trust government of Israel since I learned of USS LIBERTY mass muder on the sea. Second, I use the terminology government of Israel much the way you seem to use the term Jew. The question- and I am used to being called stupid for asking it- who is a Jew; what makes one a Jew? Thank you.

Will Food Forest Permaculture's avatar

A Jew is a person who is born Jewish, pretty simple. I suppose i could include people who convert to Judaism also, since they seem to want to be considered jews.if i say Jews did the USS Liberty atrocity, in English, it is not implied that i mean to say every Jew on earth was involved. I personally believe that the major problem Jews are the super rich ones, and i also feel that there's plenty of good Jews, like with most all groups. But these super rich problem Jews are SUCH a big problem, that really all other problems in the world pale by comparison. https://youtu.be/Zr4RbrL3e0A?si=tHcvbIRNQMSgEMyE

Karen Phanco's avatar

We wait until Jesus comes again. He is the only possible truth in this Kabuki world.

Mike's avatar

He made this world, there is plenty of truth, here, but it does not predominate

Will Food Forest Permaculture's avatar

Jesus was a mushroom. its kind of a long story, but I can sum it up for you just for the hell of it. according to the great expert in Aramaic, the language the dead sea scrolls were written in, Oxford professor John m allegro who was picked by the Pope to head the team of mostly church Bible scholars who were tasked with translating the scrolls after their discovery in 1947 in a cave at Qumran below the commune where the historical Jesus allegedly lived, Jesus was a slang word for psychedelic mushrooms. these scrolls were not only from the place where jesus was supposed to have been "the Christ" or head priest, but they were also written just about exactly when he was supposed to have been there like 2000 years ago, the 100 year historic period known as the Jewish Revolt Against Rome. I actually remember around 1987 the old Bible scholars protesting that they wanted to get a look at these dead sea scrolls because they had been waiting 40 years, and only the original team of scholars that allegro headed had ever been allowed to actually look at them... anyway, among other things, allegro said that the historical guy was actually a composite of the three main Christ's, or teachers of righteousness, of the Essene commune there, over the course of about 100 years, and the writers of the story gave "the guy" the name Jesus because it showed the long path and the short path to God- you could study hard and pray for 20 years and maybe become the head priest or "Christ," and thereby get close to God like that, or you could take the short path, eat the holy hallucinogenic psychoactive mushroom sacrament, and meet God in like half an hour. its hard to explain to folks who aren't Experienced in the Jimi Hendrix sense of the word, but never forget that LSD stands for the League for Spiritual Discovery. lets go to the videotape: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T71gSMOySZ0

and since I've gone this far I should add that the Jews killed jfk because he was putting his foot down over them developing nuclear weapons, and also demanding that AIPAC be declared a foreign agent, but he was also doing even more things that the Jewish bankers at the top did not like, and the reason was that jfk had turned into a revolutionary after meeting god on LSD with his main girlfriend Mary Pinchot meyer. its actually a common side effect of psychedelic drug use, but most folks either don't eat enough, or if they do, they aren't in much of a position to do much with their zealous revolutionary fervor. jfk was in a powerful position as leader of the so called free world, his agile mind had become quite a bit more liberated, he had met god on powerful hallucinogenics, and he was turning the other cheek to the Jewish overlords, so they killed him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNIkwDgzKuQ

Will Food Forest Permaculture's avatar

amen was the rams headed god of Thebes during the Arian age of Aries the ram. the spirituality on earth is symbolized in the stars, like the lords prayer says "on earth as it is in the heavens." all that was written in hieroglyphics by the way. yeah then came the age of Pisces Virgo for the next 2000 years, based on Precession of the Equinoxes to put it scientifically, and lo and behold Pisces the fish is the symbol of Jesus and Virgo, the opposite (there's 2 Equinoxes per year- 'half the story has never been told, so now you see the light...') is the virgin Mary and who could deny that the spiritual iconography of western shrivelization for the last 2000 years has been completely dominated by images of Jesus and Mary in the western tradition, which comes straight outta Egypt, rather than Greece and Rome as we were racistly misled to believe... yes somehow in ancient Egypt they knew about cosmic Manifest Destiny written in the stars. and before the Arian age was the taurean age where there was so much bull god imagery, cave paintings and such... at Karnak and Luxor AMEN is really in all of his glory with long rows of giant statues still standing of the rams headed god AMEN- but ask any Christian what Amen means you'll get all sorts of gobbledegook nonsense explanations. I know it doesn't matter and nobody cares, but technically we are entering the new age now of AQUARIUS LEO that's like the water bearer, homesteader hippie flower power back to the land psychedelic like Jerry Garcia who was born Aug 1 Leo, and Bob "I'm a rainbow too" Marley born Feb 6 Aquarius the reggae star. the lyrics of psychedelic and reggae roots music is like the Bible of the new age. the Lion is the main symbol of reggae international with values like revolution, respect hahaha whatever maybe some of you will get it a little bit.

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

We've been hearing a lot of lies lately. I'm waiting for a story that's true. Oh, Lord how long must we wait!

Trainwreck's avatar

Unfortunately this story rambles on aimlessly to the point of boredom Perhaps if you had researched just one of your points and actually proved one it would have made more sense Any person with half a brain has already had all of these ideas but no actual proof to back them up Thanks for wasting my time

Donald Jeffries's avatar

Your comment isn't directed to me, but it seems like you must be referring to my "story," Trainwreck. Didn't research any points? What did I write that wasn't true? Do you believe the ridiculous official narrative in this case?

iamadonkey's avatar

perhaps mr trainwreck doesn't understand the format here. it's not meant to be a phd thesis.

Trainwreck's avatar

More like a kindergarten story

Smacko9's avatar

half-a-brain,

Please provide specifics to back-up your boring story.

;-)

John Kirsch's avatar

I didn't write the story.

Will Food Forest Permaculture's avatar

bwahahaha that's a funny little comment streak or thread or whatever its called. I liked this story by Donald jeffries well enough. substack is pretty good for writing, with people expressing themselves in a more censorship free environment. its truly a miracle that we still have freedom of speech, but this article sort of shows why the Jews at the top today don't even give a shit if we have freedom of speech. still, I'm kind of a stickler, a grammar Nazi even, if not a full blown Nazi, so I want to make sure, for the record, that this article includes, in these here comments, the excellent investigative journalism of max Blumenthal on this Charlie Kirk issue. its very interesting how sometimes it seems like just one person like Gary Webb, or Whitney Webb, or Blumenthal, stands between exposure of an important truth, and that tree falling in the forest without anybody hearing anything at all. so here's the 4 important articles that max Blumenthal wrote about why JEWS KILLED CHARLIE KIRK, just like they did 911 & 10/7, and blamed it on the usual random patsies for added divide and conquer effect.

https://substack.com/@thegrayzone/note/p-173468890?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=b0n52

https://substack.com/@thegrayzone/note/p-173709521?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=b0n52

https://substack.com/@thegrayzone/note/p-174133286?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=b0n52

https://substack.com/home/post/p-174335246

Frank Drevin's avatar

I heard this story of an overweight, possibly diabetic, alcoholic who was hospitalized. All the lack of exercise, over eating and drinking had taken its toll. He told his son that this was his wake up call and that he was going to make changes, serious changes. He died a couple days later.

That's what we can expect. Things will begin to collapse completely (ie empty shelves for necessities, a loaf of bread will cost $10,000) and the leaders will come to us and say they are serious this time, changes will be made. But it will be too late. It is already too late.

sabu012's avatar

They will find an excuse to start WWIII before something like this happens in my opinion. Of course the real reason WWIII starts will be because they know total collapse is the alternative and the only way to both stave it off and come out in an advantageous position on the other side would be to start a system reset war and win it. I’m not advocating for this outcome by any means, it would probably be the end of civilization but it is what I think to be more likely.

Delta Kilo's avatar

Big draw back to that WWIII system reset. All indicators are they won’t win it. Uh oh

Delta Kilo's avatar

No. That’s the issue. They care nothing for anyone.

Danny Lubben's avatar

And, all the PTB satan-worshippers think Satan will win and handsomely reward them. Boy, are they in for a big, unpleasant surprise when they wreck everything and then find out that they're dead wrong.

sabu012's avatar

Agreed, I don’t think that’ll stop them from trying though.

Steghorn21's avatar

War brings a lot of solutions for them: cancel the debt, clamp down the population and massive profits for the MIC. As long as they win it, of course. Which is more and more unlikely.

Frank Drevin's avatar

They do not want to cancel the debt. They could cancel it at any time. They don't because their power is directly linked to the debt. They print money and lend it out at interest. It is not a bug; it is a feature for them. That is why it only increases.

george darley's avatar

What civilization? Are you nuts?

Delta Kilo's avatar

You know, we think that will happen but somehow they’ve kept these plates spinning on a stick and just keep doing it. It’s amazing.

Cankerpuss's avatar

I feel like I am stuck in the middle of the street, unable to move, watching a big Mack Truck barreling down upon me. I brace for the inevitable collision which is going to hurt, really bad, but the truck never gets to me. It's in a perpetual state of barreling down upon me but it never arrives. That's how I feel. And yes, it is amazing to behold.

I think more Americans feel this deep down in their guts. They all know things are amiss. That we are being lied to, duped and are slaves to the system. They can't put a finger on it directly but they sense and feel it. So they turn to drugs, sports, porn, and other distractions.

Steghorn21's avatar

Americans are searching up "help with mortages" on the internet at the same levels as back in 2008. The economy is running on fumes.

Frank Drevin's avatar

That overweight, diabetic alcoholic kept on living for years until he didn't.

Robin Lee's avatar

I agree Frank, it is too late. 1/2 of our population does not get it. They think it's all Trump's fault. Like our country hasn't been going downhill for at least 6 decades

Steghorn21's avatar

The difference is that Trump was supposed to be the fearless outsider who was going to change all this. I expected nothing from wreckers like Obama and Deep State crooks like the Bushes, but I did expect Trump to keep his word.

Chico's avatar

Sociopaths don't keep their word, and Trump is an unmistakable sociopath, much like Netanyahu. Most people don't know what a sociopath is. They think it is just a derogatory name, when it is actually a defined psychological type that causes most if not all of the evil in the human world. Our leaders are almost always sociopaths. When you understand sociopathy, you know our leaders are not about to tell us the real truth about anything. They will continue to deceive and manipulate, because that is the bedrock of their "success" in becoming a leader.

Ringmaster's avatar

I’ve been waiting for the other shoe to drop since the 2008 engineered financial debacle, and now I have severe doom fatigue. Sigh.

Bard Joseph's avatar

The World Order sets up countless groups to promote any type of idea, and then sets up other groups to fanatically oppose them, but the masters have no dedication to anything except slavery." The World Order

Eustace Mullins

Sher's avatar

Eustace Mullins made so much sense if you but listened. A man like that with so much knowledge comes along very rarely. Thank goodness for the internet, as we can find him there!

JoJoThompson's avatar

Love Eustace!

Bard Joseph's avatar

Will stay this way while the secret of 911 is hidden.

Dennis Sullivan's avatar

I understood everything you said. Excellent column. The explanation of the Charlie Kirk killing as given to us by the government is so bad that unless one is asleep it seems beyond belief that the government expects people to believe their version.

We are lucky to have the internet where we are given many brilliant explanations as to why and how Kirk was killed.

How gruesome. We have so many sociopaths and psychopaths out there who likely get paid big money to kill good people. But even the murderers stand a big chance of getting "offed".

I offer a stupid question : "when will it end ?"

SPQR70AD's avatar

it will end when they are ended which nobody will do

tim s's avatar

Also, Where will it end / take us? The"slippery slope" has been long engaged

Ruth Pelzer's avatar

So you still think Clark Kirk aka Man of steel aka Charlie Kent aka Superman, the Jewish Jesus, come to save the day was killed? That he actually got shot and died? Really? You don't think he's on a beach somewhere sitting beside a hot babe sipping a pina colada?

CHUCKY's avatar

Yes, he was killed. He's dead. You're not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, are you, Ruth? And you should have the right to vote? Please...

Ruth Pelzer's avatar

Prove that he's dead, jackass.

CHUCKY's avatar

Prove that he’s not dead, you dumb bitch.

Ruth Pelzer's avatar

There is no proof that he is dead. None. "Dumb bitch"? You're really funny. 😁

CHUCKY's avatar

What the f*ck are you talking about, nutjob? “There’s no proof he’s dead?” Pop another quaalude, or whatever you’re on. Or are you just a natural mental case? There’s actual footage of him being shot, from many different angles, plus eyewitnesses on the scene. But you say, “there is no proof?”

Get lost.

Michael Srite's avatar

The Navy admiral who commanded the ongoing Venezuelan fishermen murder spree has resigned. He didn't say it was a matter of conscience, but I prefer to think so.

Betsy Veatch's avatar

I agree. That Navy admiral gives me trust that more people are waking up to their consciousness in high level positions. Their Christ vibration within them are making them see and feel their immoral actions against humanity.

Portraits in Fitness's avatar

It’s clear to me that Charlie Kirk wasn’t even shot. The evidence is the many dogs that didn’t bark.

No one on security drew their weapons and tried to identify the threat.

His chief of staff, a barely post-pubescent boy named Mikey, didn’t even flinch, put his phone to his ear, and strolled out the back.

Another top staffer went immediately around the back and took video while “the body” was carried off to the black SUV. Then he went back under the tent, got up on the very same chair that CK had been sitting in (which was miraculously not slick and dripping with blood), and took down the camera that was just behind CK and removed the memory card.

There’s tons more, but the old Sherlock Holmes angle is damning enough.

Bob W.'s avatar

That wasn't a camera behind CK. That was a holograph projector. Go figure. This entire thing is like a 1,000 piece jigsaw puzzle of our once beholden pure blue sky. Let's not give up but keep putting the puzzle together. At least we can throw it in their face when done and feel like we accomplished something.

Ruth Pelzer's avatar

You're right. It was a holograph projector. Take a peek at my substack for all the videos plus a couple of (free, hopefully humorous) articles about the post-production meetings. But there was also a camera right beside it. Also, the shadows are all wrong, the crowd scenes change as the day wears on and one of the entourage is Mike Mekash - an award-winning make-up and special effects guy.

CHUCKY's avatar

Your hysterectomy wound is acting up again, Ruth.

Utopian Fool's avatar

Shouldn't you be doing your homework Chucky? Does your mom know you're on the computer?

Mel's avatar

Charlie is dead, Portraits.

Portraits in Fitness's avatar

It doesn't matter. Debating whether he's dead or alive is pointless. I'm not trying to convince anyone; my perspective is simply that I only knew Charlie Kirk as a character that existed in the public realm on campuses and the Internet. That character is surely dead.

Mel's avatar

The reason it “matters” is because reality matters. He was killed in a professional hit job. This really, really, really matters because of what it says about the powers that be that had him murdered in broad daylight in front of several thousand people. In front of all of us. That matters more than most because it shows We the People, who we are actually dealing with. Reality matters.

Portraits in Fitness's avatar

Sorry, the reality is that there is insufficient evidence to demonstrate that he was deleted in broad daylight.

No evidence of a real wound, no exit wound, no blood spatter, drip or pour; no funeral, no burial, no death certificate, no autopsy.

But you are absolutely right that reality matters. Where you and I differ is that I can no longer assert that anything I have seen or heard through a screen or device bears any resemblance to "reality."

Realist's avatar

The powers that be have been doing this for decades.

Mel's avatar

Certainly true and we’ve all known it for many decades.

SW's avatar

There are so many stories that are just dropped suddenly and erased.

Charlie Kirk’s memorial service was more GOP rally than anything else, complete with a widow dabbing her eyes but bravely smiling and embracing Trump. It was very strange and the fact there’s no news about the young man who supposedly confessed, the autopsy or any investigation is even weirder.

Obama’s library/shrine looks like high rise prison and the White House rose garden like a franchise restaurant patio. It’s a farce that’s not funny.

Ranch's avatar

It would seem that significant events like Charlie Kirk's (911, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, George Floyd, Covid, etc) are orchestrated with almost theater like precision to introduce confusion, doubt, frustration, anger, and distrust. Perhaps that is the main goal of all of these. Not the supposedly primary responses (Kill the Terrorists, Ban the Guns, Stop White Power, Put a Mask on) but the more important emotional responses that require the suspension of common sense and critical reasoning. It requires the viewer to refuse to ask questions. To willingly participate in lies. To accept that "we know you know that we know you're lying" and we're gonna pretend it's fine. I imagine the vast majority of people just want to turn off their brains and just go along to get along, but then the PTB throw it hard in your face, another Magic Bullet story or with the even more ridiculous Epstein story. That one in particular is DoubleThink par Excellence! Jeffery Epstein is a lone nut pedo! Therefore Jefferey Epstein has always been a lone nut pedo!

So I suspect we're at Solzhenitsyn levels of lies that are meant to maintain the states power through people's participation in these lies while at the same time demoralizing those that are beginning to see through the cracks, and frustrating those "in the know" that they're powerless.

PolarRoller's avatar

Could be just simple humiliation rituals. To put a pile of crap in front of you and make you eat it. Over time you get used to and accept it?

Ruth Pelzer's avatar

I love that "Solzhenitsyn levels of lies"! Perfect!!

Scott's avatar

Yes, it seems likely that they use advanced behaviorism techniques to pacify the masses

like psychologists would do to rats running in a maze; first reward them for finding the food, then switch and punish them for learning. They do it over and over and over creating rage, till we are pacified. Coincidentally the CIA ran major "pacification" projects in Vietnam.

Strange way to run a country. Lots of MK-Ultra projects running. Untold numbers of

"orphaned" children being conditioned too into programmed slaves.

Caryl Johnston's avatar

Outstanding--as always. Thank you Mr. Jeffries.

Carey's avatar

To be clear the White House has always had upgrades and major renovations so Trump is nothing different.In fact Obama built a basketball court.Meanwhile the ballroom is being built with donors money and Trump's own money so much for milking the public purse.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

1805: Thomas Jefferson added low east and west colonnades to conceal service yards.

1824: James Monroe added the South Portico.

1829: Andrew Jackson oversaw construction of the North Portico.

1902: Theodore Roosevelt created the West Wing and removed the old conservatories.

1902: Theodore Roosevelt installed the first White House tennis court.

1909: William Howard Taft expanded the West Wing and built the first Oval Office.

1927: Calvin Coolidge added a full third floor including the Solarium.

1933: Franklin D Roosevelt installed an indoor swimming pool.

1934: Franklin D Roosevelt relocated and rebuilt the Oval Office in a West Wing expansion.

1942: Franklin D Roosevelt added the East Wing and converted a cloakroom into the Family Theater.

1948: Harry S Truman added the Truman Balcony on the South Portico.

1948 through 1952: Harry S Truman gutted and rebuilt the interior on a new steel frame.

1961: John F Kennedy created the White House Situation Room.

1969: Richard Nixon turned the covered indoor pool area into the Press Briefing Room.

1975: Gerald Ford installed the outdoor swimming pool and cabana.

2009: Barack and Michelle Obama established the Kitchen Garden on the South Lawn and built a full size basket ball court.

2020: Melania Trump completed a new Tennis Pavilion beside the court.

2025: Donald Trump began construction of a new East Wing ballroom. His is being built by donations. Others were by taxpayers.

Mike Huggins's avatar

No other president has built an ark.

The Bodysnatchers's avatar

Big Beautiful Ballroom?

It's all theatre!

VICKI's avatar

So what; it's a GOOD thing and long overdue. Why should our country give events in tents? That's just crazy...Trump is paying for it so what's the problem? I don't even care if he names it after himself. He wants a legacy and he sure has earned after the hell he's been put through by numbskulls in the country.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

It's combined with all the other madness of the past few months, Vicki. His trying desperately to block the release of the Epstein List, and in fact claiming it doesn't exist. Flip flopping to where he clearly supports Ukraine. Bombing Iran on command. Bailing out Argentinian farmers instead of our own, etc. Thanks.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

The Democrats know that Bill Clinton flew on the Lolita Express a million times, Vicki. Along with many of their Hollywood friends. I don't know why they are pushing for release of the information, because Trump certainly isn't going to be the only one on the list. We were told there was a list for years. Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted of trafficking girls, although of course none of the powerful clients were identified. Now Kash Patel says no girls were trafficked.

sabu012's avatar

These are all certainly fair criticisms. I just think the ballroom thing is a massive nothingburger. Many presidents have made updates or additions to the White House.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

It is, Sabu. I think the fact he first mentioned it during an ADD outburst when asked how he was dealing with the death of Charlie Kirk probably has something to do with that. Thanks.

VICKI's avatar

Here is the question? IF there is something incriminating missing from the Epstein saga. what makes anyone think that Biden would not have gleefully exposed anything he could to do more damage to Trump, his mortal enemy? What is this "list" no one has seen and where is it, IF it exists.

Sher's avatar

Here is the answer. The democrats and republicans are all together. You can call them the uni-party. They create confusion and we believe it most of the time! There are always a few of us that get their game. Then when they confuse enough of us, they go out and celebrate.

I have been on this earth 78 years and I have seen it over and over. We mean nothing to them except $ signs.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I believe it most likely exists and Trump is hanging onto it for awhile for use as leverage for getting some of “the listed” to vote his way or do his bidding. It’s fabulous, if that’s the case.

“Here, Joe Blow the Pedo. I have your name listed numerous times as a guest. I want you to back me when I ____, or else the world is gonna see this.”

Prince Andrew was just stripped of nearly every one of his titles AND barred from most royal property— the very week after Trump visited the royals. Hmmm… Wonder if the one had anything to do with the other? It could be that Trump has leverage.

Who knows what else is going on behind the scenes?

For us to assume we know there’s a list AND to assume it hasn’t been revealed for the simple reason that Trump is on it, is, well… that’s pretty simple of us, IMO. Have we no intellectual curiosity? Are we simpletons? Can we not figure out any other plausible possibilities? People whose knee jerk reaction to everything they can’t see is simply, “Nothing is real. It’s ALL a lie. And everything that is contrary to how I want it done (Epstein List) is due to the fact (fact? really?) that Trump

is on The List.

Simpleton reasoning.

I dare say there are thousands of details unknown to us, thousands of considerations to be made before plastering a list all over the news.

One thing I know for sure, Biden had the SAME info, and the SAME set of names at one time, IF it exists.

He absolutely would’ve used anything in there against Trump unless there was another detail or 2 that would’ve trumped that decision making process.

Kris's avatar

You're wrong about your facts on Andrew. It will take an act of parliament to strip him of his titles. For now he has relinquished them. He can't be removed as a "prince" because he was born as one. He has an almost ironclad lease on Royal Lodge in Windsor Great Park. He must be persuaded to give it up. Right now he is negotiating to leave Royal Lodge if he gets to move into Frogmore Cottage and Fergie gets to move into another house. Both are in Windsor Great Park, a royal property. He is not banned from royal property. It is wise (and very easy) to fact check before writing false information.

Kris's avatar

Update November 1st: To counter the msm news out of the UK: Andrew was not evicted from Royal Lodge. He vacated his lease with the King's offer of a home on the royal Sandringham estate (where Diana was born), a sum of cash, and a stipend for life. His lease was ironclad until 2078, and would have been a part of his estate after his death. It was unconstitutional for the King to revoke his title of "prince"...if one believes in the ridiculous notion that some folks are born royal. So the NWO is just making things up as they go along... something we've been seeing a lot of lately. The important thing for the elite, is that nothing stand in the way of William's role in the NWO.

Even though the royal family loathed Wallace Simpson, George VI could not withhold the title of Dutchess from her after she married the Duke, although he could withhold a HRH from her. Dudley Forward, the aide to the Duke of Windsor, revealed that the Duke broke down sobbing when he received that news.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I thought the prince part went without saying. Obviously he can’t shed the title into which he was born.

He is relinquishing titles, why? Did he just get a wild hair and decide to shed some titles? Or could it be that someone popped in for a visit with a little list in his pocket, which was used as leverage— in order to be respectful of the royals, yet be certain there was some form of punishment?

Same with the royal properties. He is currently negotiating stepping into a lesser property. Why? Did he get a wild hair and decide he wants another place? Or did someone pay a visit to the

royals and… leverage some things with a list?

Pardon

me

for saying “all titles” and “all properties”.

Steghorn21's avatar

I don't believe Trump was guilty of anything. However, I WOULD like to know who in our higher echelons is guilty of pedophilia, and above all, to what extent Mossad is using the Epstein info to blackmail and control US leaders.

Chico's avatar

Trump is a sociopath, like Epstein, so Trump has been taking advantage of the underage girls since he was first offered the opportunity. You can believe what you want about Trump, but most likely your beliefs will not be an accurate reflection of realty. We live in a world of elaborate deception, and Trump, Epstein, the CIA, and the Mossad all work for the top dog deceivers that I call the Jewish Rothschild cabal. None of our "leaders" are even in the ballpark when it comes to the power and control this tiny cabal exercises over society.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Seems like a simpleton-y argument, to me.

VICKI's avatar

Alleged list is more accurate. So IF there is a "list" then what? I don't see that he supports Ukraine, he is not sending tomahawks thankfully. I think he is trying to keep every one "happy' until he figures out what's going to work to fix it. Why wouldn't you support the bombing of Iran nuke sites? The madness you speak of has been aimed at him for the past how many years? Who among us could take that kind of treatment? No one.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

Vicki, he has made many pro-Ukraine comments in the past few months, and continues to give them whatever they want. Iran has never done anything to us. Neither has Yemen. Or Syria, etc. America First! Thanks.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

So… we should’ve waited until Iran used all that nuclear weaponry we bombed? Is that what you’re saying? Iran has never done anything to us? And they never will?

Donald Jeffries's avatar

They haven't done anything to us, KC. They also have never used whatever nuclear weapons they have, unlike the good old USA, who used them twice and killed untold numbers of Japanese. We really have zero right to police the nuclear weapons of others.

CHUCKY's avatar

What Iranian "nuclear weapons" were bombed? What are you talking about, man?

John Mendelssohn's avatar

He's been put through SUCH hell! No other American president has been subjected to anything comparable. And in spite of all it, he's ranked as our third greatest president ever, with only George Washington and "Honest Abe" Lincoln ahead of him. But I expect him to hbe No. 2, or even No. 1 by the end of his present second term. America didn't become the hottest country in the world all on its own, after all! All that he's given up...for us, for the average American he loves.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I agree with you. 100%. I am

deeply saddened and confused that he supposedly got a covid and flu shot because THAT is just exponential stupidity. I hope RFK smacked him over the head for that one.

I’m also deeply chagrined regarding this Venezuelan beef issue but I’m hoping it will make sense soon.

As to the ballroom, it’s an improvement. If any other president were renovating. people would be curious but fine. It’s 100% zero tax dollars and based on his other buildings, I’m sure it will be a touch gaudy but he’ll match the esthetic of the rest of the WH.

VICKI's avatar

All so true. I like the gaudy gold but that's just me, better than the black and white/grey stripped down look I see everywhere that's just plain ugly. This man couldn't please people if he gave them one million dollars each so I am thankful for what he's done and some is innovative for a president but it's sure light years better than any president in my lifetime, especially the dangerous last two who have almost put us in the toilet and flushed it.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Someone on Coffee & Covid substack (my personal fave, by attorney Jeff Childers!) said Trump could say he loves puppies and sunsets. Within minutes, millions would picket against puppies and sunsets— and billionaires. Even though we all know billionaires are the ones starting many of the

rumors and instigating and funding the marches.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

Yes, millions of Americans irrationally hate Trump, KC. TDS is a real thing. But millions more excuse his constant flip flops and betrayals, attributing it to 4D Chess and the like. I'm one of the few existing Trump Agnostics. I always treat him fairly, but facts are facts.

Karen Phanco's avatar

Jeff Childers? Humorous writer, but totally deluded or paid.

Scott's avatar

Kristi Noem loves puppies!

She loves all kinds of puppies,,, except there was one bad puppy.

She handled it, and now she is head of Homeland Security.

She said it was such a a baad dog. She made it pay for its sins.

John Mendelssohn's avatar

A touch gaudy. You're making me laugh, pal.

VICKI's avatar

Absolutely, I concur.

John Mendelssohn's avatar

It pains me no end to think that anyone took the above remark seriously. It was pure sarcasm. The "hottest country in the world"? Well, no. A country now run by a stupid, infantile mob boss with dementia. A country whose idiot president sics masked goons on American citizens because of their pigmentation, and who brazenly cuts deals with other countries to enrich himself and his oligarch buddies. A serial liar. A dimwit who can't manage two coherent sentences in a row. A rapist. Probably a pedophile, though we won't know for sure until this extremely transparent president forbids al the facts to be presented. A vile, compassionless narcissist who got where he is from idiots of the sort who didn't recognize my remark as sarcastic by telling them, "America First!!" while handing over $40 billion to someone nearly as monstrous as he himself is.

Wade Garrett's avatar

The dirty little secret is ... the tent was probably supplied by some friend of the political class, at 100x the going rate, with some of that money kicked back as political donations .... (It's the same play book, over and over ad nauseum ....) Someone gets rich, someone gets donations and 'we the people' get taken for a ride .... Every time.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

So, sorta like USAID used to be, before it was DOGED…

Here’s some money. Well say it’s for _____ (fill in the blank with some virtuous sounding charity or a perfectly reasonable sounding something) but reality says the 💰is for something else.

We have paid for underhanded theft a zillion times.

I’m delighted the ballroom is 100% private donations.

Wade Garrett's avatar

Exactly, and yes maybe 2% of USAid actually went to something meaningful, and without it... some will suffer... but the pendulum swings, and the blame should be on the original grifters. Like the current ICE situation, if you're upset with ICE's actions, be upset with the last administration that ignored existing immigration laws, opened the flood gates, and ignored the vetting process, putting citizens at risk...

Kathy's avatar

Yes, look at this new shiny object! Oh, but do look over there, nothing to see there, just move on!

Baldmichael's avatar

Oh I see, you mean it's all a load of balls.

Or will be when it is completed. :)

VICKI's avatar

The news is more daunting and confusing than ever so I don't bother much watching the redundancy day, hour after hour - however I AM happy or so I heard, that Trump is NOT giving Ukraine the Tomahawk missiles. As you said, he needs to focus back on the USA and let foreign entities figure out their own issues.

Robert Minall's avatar

What happened to all the blessings we were supposed to receive for our unconditional support of Israel. Clearly, it has been quite the opposite. Great article! Thanks Don

Donald Jeffries's avatar

Exactly, Robert. Thanks!

Steghorn21's avatar

80 years of support has brought us precisely nothing.

Robert Minall's avatar

We have been blessed with perpetual war, assassinations, massive internal attacks, censorship, obscene deficits, moral degeneracy, failed institutions, etc....etc.......

CHUCKY's avatar

Curses are Satan's blessing, and thus israel's. Everything is reversed in the upside-down world that the israel controls.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Blessings may come in the afterlife. Zechariah 12 and dozens of others chapters/verses go into this, really well.

I voted for Trump and am behind 80% of what he’s doing, however, he has sealed his fate if he continues forward dividing up land that God himself gave Israel.

You don’t get to come into my house and divvy up the furniture. You don’t get create dividing lines as to what portion of the house is to be given to anyone— even orphans. You don’t even get to hold the chalk!

God is really clear about this. Israel knows it. We should, too

If someone says a place is the very apple of their eye, what all do we do to protect our eyes?

Even if our kid is being horrible, how far will we go to protect him? Say he’s on drugs for 4-5 years, and a thief comes to steal his letter jacket and car. Do we just allow it bc our kid is being a loser?

No. We hang onto it for when the prodigal

son returns. He’s (our kid) the apple of our eye.

Art Hutchinson's avatar

Paul is clearer. Romans 2:28-29 ("For he is NOT a Jew who is one outwardly... But he is a Jew who is one inwardly... of the heart, by the Spirit..."), Romans 9:6-10 ("...they are NOT all Israel who are [biologically] descended from Israel..."), and Galatians 4:21-5:1 ("...the present Jerusalem [of the flesh]... is in slavery with her children..."). I.e., those who cling to the old covenant (which was never kept by anyone, except Christ) ally themselves with the great harlot whose house was left to her desolate (Matt 23:38).

And that's just a smattering of the stuff Scofield tried to airbrush out of the Scriptures, from Genesis to Revelation. God cannot look favorably on sin not washed by Christ's blood. The apple of His eye is ONLY those born again to new life in Christ: His church-bride, by grace alone through faith alone, in Christ alone, in all times and places.

Kris's avatar

Extremely well said, Art. Zionist Christians are lost. At this late hour, there is no longer any hope for them. As Christ Jesus explained, He will say to them "I never knew you".

Art Hutchinson's avatar

Having swum in the near-ubiquitous cesspool of dispy-Zionist delusion for an embarrassingly long time, I maintain a category of grace for real converts not yet exposed to solid doctrine; but, once exposed, they face the eternally weighty fork-in-the-road you describe.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Some of this is true but some is not. Not if you read the rest. We born again Christians are not the apple of His eye. I mean, He adores us; don’t get me wrong, but He is clearly referring to His people, among other things I can’t

go into RN.

Art Hutchinson's avatar

Yes. He is referring to His people… who have always been saved by one means and one means only. (The Old Covenant--conditional on perfect performance, from conception on out to forever--never saved anyone.)

Wade Garrett's avatar

The Balfour Declaration was a 1917 statement from British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lionel Rothschild supporting the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine. The 67-word letter was a diplomatic turning point for the Zionist movement, offering official support from a major world power, but it also fueled conflict by clashing with Arab aspirations for independence in the same territory and was later seen as a root cause of the modern Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

You think Lord Balfour was doing GOD's work...? And please note the phrase 'in Palestine' ...

Bob W.'s avatar

"...land that God himself gave Israel". KC you are making it a tad difficult for me to support your comment. I will leave it at that as I am not one that likes to argue. Just celebrated my 84th and don't want my remaining years mired in endless arguments.

Steve Thomas's avatar

God destroyed Israel in 70 AD! . . for not keeping his commandments.

Kris's avatar

Indeed, Steve. Many of the remaining Jews fled to Bagdad, where there had been a thriving Jewish community made up of those who never left Babylon. Sassoon was one family there. They went to China in the 1800s and pretty much had a monopoly on all trade until the Communist Revolution, but they never lost their grip, and still control the commies there.

Julian The Apostate loathed Christians. He bankrolled an attempt to rebuild the Third Temple in 363 AD. He encouraged dispersed Jews to return to Jerusalem to help with the rebuild. As Jews, both men and women, were working at the site, a mighty earthquake (search: Gallilee earthquakes May 18th-19th 363 AD) destroyed all their work. Flames shot from the earth. Many were killed. Most of the survivors died that night when the roof collapsed on their sleeping quarters. A cross appeared in the heavens. There are three historical accounts of this...two which were written by pagans. God clearly made it known that day, that He was finished with the Jews ...once and for all.

Old Testament history means nothing without other historical evidence to back it up. It is my experience that evangelical Christians are not interested in history from non-biblical sources. In my experience they have no critical thinking skills and often fall prey to their own delusional beliefs. We saw how most churches in the US did not have the discernment to see that the scamdemic was satanic. Some even profaned their houses of worship by injecting their people with the satanic death jab. Zionist "Christians" give genuine Christians a bad name.

Wade Garrett's avatar

The phrase 'a new and everlasting covenant' rings out in my mind... God promised a new covenant in the OT and fulfilled that promise in the NT.

I find it hard to believe that God would bless people with 'Chosen' status if they denounce the existence of his only begotten son ... I find it funny how evangelicals exalt Jews for their supposed 'Chosen' status it seems to be a form of Stockholm Syndrome.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

Exactly, Wade. It makes no sense for those who accept Christ as their savior to in effect worship those who rejected him. Thanks.

Steve Thomas's avatar

Thanks for your accurate response. I am in total agreement-- it's there in the scriptures!

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Bless your heart!

You don’t have to argue with me. It’s right there in the bible, so I guess best to talk to God about any disagreement(s) you

may be having! 😉😉

CHUCKY's avatar

You're really dumb enough to believe that the ashkenazi khazars from Central Asia that now call themselves "jews" and "israelis" are the israel of the bible? Seriously?

When the doctor said, "PUSH!," you're mother pulled.

CHUCKY's avatar

You're out of your mind, KC.

Gary's avatar

You are the modern day rendition of H.L. Mencken - outstanding Donald. I stop counting the number of truth bombs you dropped at about 75 or was it the proverbial 6 million. Whichever, it was a lot!

It is astonishing that Mr. & Mrs. American still believe they can vote their way out of the insane system that has had it's foot on their throats since the day they were born. The system that designated anyone who appreciates the beauty of traditional Catholicism a "domestic terrorist". Oy Veh! Hey Mr. President TrumpSTEIN how about firing the individuals in the FBI that signed off on that order? That's not a heavy lift.

But then neither was pardoning Julian Assange, Edwin Snowden and the Jan. 6ers before you left office the first time. You had the time and energy to issue pardons to copious numbers of slimy "chosen ones" before exiting the stage but not any sincere freedom fighters you claimed to be fighting on behalf of. Oy Veh! Oh well you did your Jew son in law Jared proud - he with the $2,000,000,000 "loan" tucked into his pocket granted by Saudi Arabian "Crown Prince".

One would think he could at least throw a bone to us to placate the lemmings. Even the three-card monte con artist lets the saps when occasionally so as to keep them in the game. Maybe an executive order to cease the spraying of our skies with toxic chemicals (you know the "chemtrail conspiracy" that was finally admitted to after decades of poisoning us)? That is still ongoing daily since you took office and promised to MAHA. It would be great to enjoy the sun again and soak up all that natural healing Vitamin D.

Speaking of the "satanic forces" you so aptly mention Donald, peruse the free pdf of "The Synagogue of Satan" https://samisdat.in/en/books/the-synagogue-of-satan-2006/2006%20-%20The%20Synagogue%20of%20Satan%20-%20Andrew%20Carrington%20Hitchcock.pdf

It's a historic account of how the "chosen ones" have blessed the world. They even tell us before hand what they plan to do to us. Guess it's a kabbala thing that exonerates them from guilt if we "stupid goyim i.e. cattle", don't stop them.

Kind of like their humiliation ritual of putting physically and morally repulsive creatures in charge of us https://images.wsj.net/im-210744/social, https://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2019/12/04/

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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yskkWdAonqU/maxresdefault.jpg

And finally lets not forget to pony up more of our hard earned tax dollars for the persecuted and oppressed "chosen ones". Take a gander at the list of gems you are sacrificing an improved life style for.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

I appreciate the kind words, Gary. To be mentioned in the same breath with Mencken is very gratifying. Thanks!

Kris's avatar

I agree that Donald is a modern day H.L. Mencken. A high compliment indeed.

Bagrman's avatar

No blood, no murder. The men caring to Charlie after the shooting had no blood on themselves.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

Yep. And no trail of blood leading to the SUV he was transported away in, Bagrman. Thanks.

EntangledWeb's avatar

EVERYTHING is a Lie

Wade Garrett's avatar

'EVERYTHING is a Lie' is a lie ...

Wade Garrett's avatar

If it wasn’t for the very few things I read on the internet (this being one of them), I wouldn’t even know there was a government shut down…

Quoting Steve Bannon (a BRV passion the last 2 America Unplugged Radio episodes) would be similar, in my mind, to quoting Alex Jones, they may occasionally get something right, but it’s not like they are actual White House spokespeople …?

The one person you can’t get to believe in the Trumpenstein project is BRV who oddly created a new phrase Democrat Derangement Syndrome … how very unoriginal! Too funny!