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K.'s avatar

God keeps the books...He is the Great Judge...and there will be justice...there will be an accounting. But how long, oh Lord...how long must we wait...

SPQR70AD's avatar

there is no god only the devil and if there were a god he is useless

Crush Limbraw's avatar

Just a FYI - One of the most consistent arguments made against Christianity is this: how can there be a good God, when there is evil in this world? This is called the problem of evil, and it is an argument that has often been put forward by atheistic sceptics and especially by first or second year atheist university students who study things like philosophy or evolution, and other soft sciences.

But it is also a question that often plagues Christians as well. Many people struggle to understand how there can be evil in this world, when there is a good God.

I am going to address it today, but probably not how you think. Because my contention to you will be this: Christianity does not have an evil problem, evil has a Christianity problem. By that I mean that without Christianity we would not understand evil, and we would not understand the solution to evil. By the end of this sermon you will understand why I say this......

Read full text:

https://revmatthewlittlefield.substack.com/p/the-conspiracy-of-evil-503?publication_id=1182452&utm_campaign=email-post-title&r=y7h5a&utm_medium=email

RE Nichols's avatar

The oldest book of the Bible--and one of the longest--tackles the question of a powerful, good God and evil. Job. It's a book of poetry and contains few real answers. Theodicy is the branch of theological studies dedicated to making sense of human suffering.

SPQR70AD's avatar

so I need the church to understand the evil being done to Gaza? do you belong to one of those christian churches with all the snakes? 60 million christians killed by jew bolsheviks in Russia. 15 million starved to death in ukraine all of them chose their fate. am I right?

YellowRose's avatar

Churches are not your answer. They are made up of sinners who know they need a Savior. Many of them are infiltrated by evil and are ungodly. Jesus is your answer. When you seek and follow Jesus and read His Word, you have discernment about false teachers and heretical churches.

Boris Sarmat's avatar

Very true!

Bergoglio is a perfect recent example of that church corruption.

That's another subject, and even more important.

Dennis Merwood's avatar

And on the first day Man created God.

As far as I know Jesus never wrote one word, my dear.

Actually, Jesus is just a myth in an old book.

The Jesus Lie: The Greatest Deception Ever Crafted | Dr. Nicholas Peter Legh Allen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_kE4V5kQwI&t=532s

Catchadragon's avatar

This is not bad either “ Jesus The Myth The biggest lie ever Sold by Acharya https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Acharya%20S%20-%20The%20Christ%20Conspiracy%20-%20The%20Greatest%20Story%20Ever%20Sold.pdf

as you said but forgot the poignant word JooWish .

Actually, Jesus is just a myth in an J...w old book.

Crush Limbraw's avatar

Good question - but you won't like my answer.

Your needs? Start with using your brain - www.crushlimbraw.com - as I had to do.....loooooong ago.

As to specifics - after going through DaBasics at my website - research DaLimbraw Library on CHURCHIANITY, SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN or countless other topics of your interest - after all, that's how they were collected and archived - took me about 20+ years.

Your choice!

No, I don't do pissing contests - take it or leave it! I'm done.

Good hunting!

Dennis Merwood's avatar

"Without Christianity we would not understand evil, and we would not understand the solution to evil."

That can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

Michelle's avatar

Well, I read your article. Among other things, I will never understand how anyone can believe in a LOVING God who needs a blood sacrifice to appease him.......

About the question "How can there be a good God, when there is evil in this world?"

Man has, according to free will, the freedom to act against God's will - if they so wish. Therefore God is not the cause of everything that happens here. While God is the Absolute, not everthing that is being done in this world complies with God´s will. And since God is love, everything that is not done out of love goes against God´s will.

Renee Marie's avatar

Human beings have a choice, don’t they?

SPQR70AD's avatar

yes a baby dies at birth was his choice. baby born with club feet cause he chose to. 100K women babies and little boys and girls dead in Gaza cause they wanted to die. read about history 100's of millions tortured decapitated disemboweled burned alive etc. millions killed and displaced in the Mideast last 20 years cause they chose it

Renee Marie's avatar

I’m assuming by your comments that you’re not spiritual or believe in God. I do.

Until the soul learns to not destroy, and learns to love, nothing will change.

I can’t change anyone except myself.

SPQR70AD's avatar

I want you to tell me that all that I listed that happened was because the babies little girls chose to be blown up. explain to me that they are dead because god gave them choice. that has been a childish escape valve for the church to gaslight people. christianity invented by jews the devils spawn to take down Rome

Renee Marie's avatar

I belong to no man made, organized religion.

I love God/Creator. Life is a great mystery and we are ALL here to learn, and that includes pain and suffering. I have dealt with lots of it. I know that an all loving, Entity is with me always. I have experienced It.

God loves you perfectly, whether you want God or not.

Renee Marie's avatar

If you are open, I highly recommend this book: “The Edgar Cayce Story”-Many Mansions, by Gina Cerminara, 1950

I am a bibliophile, and I have many excellent books that have helped me on my spiritual path. My mind is open .

Dennis Merwood's avatar

There's no hate like Christian love, no arrogance like Christian humility and no ignorance like Christian knowledge.

Jack Jones's avatar

Yawn. And no stupidity like that which ignores eye witness accounts.

Renee Marie's avatar

What does Christianity have to do with anything? The “Golden Rule” is universal in all religions, and before religion was “invented”.

Mike Huggins's avatar

Jewish Freemason Satanist Irving Berlin wrote the song God Bless America. We can easily guess why we’re in endless wars, endless natural disasters, CV19 vaccine genocide and more. If there is a God he must hate America and rightfully so.

SPQR70AD's avatar

yea I found that out a while ago. hard to stomach. didnt he write christmas songs? or was it another jew

Mike Huggins's avatar

He wrote patriotic war songs to sing as you go off to a foreign land to murder people.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

He's one of the songwriters that some people at the time felt really didn't write the work credited to him. My father used to claim that he stole all his songs from others. But then again, he was totally obsessed with Jews. Thanks, Mike.

SPQR70AD's avatar

most of these manufactured jewish heroes stole what made them famous including einstein. jews stole a country

SPQR70AD's avatar

yes to only kill the enemies of the jews

YellowRose's avatar

Even your “god” vs your “ME” says where your heart is. Your heart thinks it’s about you, not Him.

Renee Marie's avatar

YellowRose, the eGO is a tough nut to crack. The cause of all misery-the eGO.

When will mankind realize that he is a divine, spiritual being?

Dennis Merwood's avatar

"Open your heart to Jesus" is code for: you can convince yourself a non-existent being is real if you try hard enough.

Zeus, Allah, Yahweh or Thor? There have been hundreds of "Gods." Every religion claim's that theirs is the only true God! What evidence do you have that your religion is not just other false religion? Why is your "God" real and all the others are not? When you understand why you dismiss ALL the other possible "Gods", only then will you understand why we atheists dismiss yours.

But if you want to bask in self-imposed victimhood over something happening between your ears, no one can stop you.

Renee Marie's avatar

I can only speak for myself Dennis. I had an extremely horrible car accident over 20 years ago. It’s amazing that I survived. I was airlifted to a hospital and spent 4 days in a trauma unit. This was a turning point in my relationship to what I will call God. I wish all people could have this experience so they could know the true love of God. It changed my life forever.

Brian Wirth's avatar

Me too. I had a near death experience that I have described here before.

Dennis Merwood's avatar

God Saved Me in the Car Crash | The Atheist Experience: Throwback

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfQZPEq-Hhc&t=469s

Over 40,000 people die in car accidents in the US every year, what makes you so special Renee?

And while he was busy saving you in a car crash thousands of children worldwide died of starvation, disease and violence. Not very consistent, is he?

And BTW, how did you determine it was a God? And which God was it? Allah, Yahweh, Zeus or Thor?

And WOW!!....you want all people to have a horrible car accident and spend-4 days in a trauma unit so they can meet God! WOW!!! Just WOW!!!.

E G's avatar

It seems to me you are blaming the wrong person. Satan is the source of all sin and suffering.

YellowRose's avatar

Amen. Every human who ever lived will give an account to HIM in the end and will receive eternal life in glory with HIM or eternal damnation in hell without HIM. Every person ultimately gets to choose their destination. It doesn’t matter if you believe it or not, it’s going to happen. Evil people will reap the full wrath of GOD in HIS timing for every evil act they have committed.

SPQR70AD's avatar

I want god to give ME an account of why billions of people that he "loves" were subjected to hell

YellowRose's avatar

He tells you in His Word, the scriptures. But in one overly simplistic answer. He created man and woman and gave them free will. If you want to know Him, you will choose to seek Him and you will find Him. If you want to reject Him, the devil will give you billions of reasons to do so. The world you are looking for is coming. The one we are living in is filled with godLESSness and sin because we make ourselves god and reject Him. Faith in HIM or faith in yourself. Choose. He said in His Word this world is perishing. It’s not your final home if you know and believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He paid the price for your sins on the cross by dying in your place. You get to choose. It’s never forced on you.

SPQR70AD's avatar

the jews devil god in the buybull OT tells his people to kill their kids if they disobey. Deuteronomy is the devil gods instruction manual to his spawn the jews of mass slaughter rape slavery torture other books on eating your kids Lot banging his daughters other parts giving daughters into sex slavery

in Isaiah devil god tells the jews.... kings will come to you and give their riches. all of them will serve you and those who will not will be destroyed. that is happening right now in front of your eyes under the teachings of the devil to the jews. every country they own and does their bidding and in the mid east they are destroying those who do not bow to them

Renee Marie's avatar

Those are Talmudic Jews, no?

SPQR70AD's avatar

it is in the old testament. hundreds of examples. google it

Cankerpuss's avatar

Two ways to look at this SPQR7OAD.

1. God created us and then left us to our own devices. Meaning, he, she, or they created us and just decided to go play tiddlywinks or golf with their buddies. Thus, we are on our own. The innocent are left to suffer and the wicked are left to enjoy the wealth they have amassed. There is no justice for the innocent and the wicked thrive because God is no where around to do anything about it.

2. God cannot intervene because if God intervenes then he/she is violating one of the core laws that he/she grants to his/her creations. Free will. Free Agency, whatever you want to call it. If God violates his own law then God becomes a liar and if God is a liar God is not worthy of the honor of his subjects and loses his authority. This then means that God is not all powerful and must be subject to his/her own law.

I'm not an atheist. I do believe in creation and in deity. However, I don't think God is as absolute as one would read in the Bible or other scriptural texts. The two explanations for why innocent people suffer are easy to understand when considering these two concepts of God.

For example, why is it that a loving man and woman who wish to have a child to raise in a good home cannot conceive a child while the drug user down the street pushes them out like a horny rabbit and the child is neglected and abused? Would it not be in the child's best interest to have God place that child in the home with the loving parents rather than in a home where the child is abused and neglected, grows up in that abuse and becomes an abuser itself? Now apply this to the two concepts I mentioned above. See what I mean?

SPQR70AD's avatar

god cant intervene? what about destroying the world with the flood? god destroyed sodom so Lot could bang his daughters. god destroyed much of the egyptian army at the departing of the sea. god killed all the first born in egypt resulting in the demonic passover "holiday". god caused plagues insect swarms in egypt

Cankerpuss's avatar

All excellent points. Maybe I should re-phrase. Instead of staying "God cannot intervene" perhaps it would be more accurate to say "God won't intervene" or "chooses not to intervene." If the Old Testament is in fact accurate then one must deduce that there are certain situations where God has chosen to intervene when it suits him. Perhaps God intervenes when wickedness and oppression become so great that such oppression and wickedness stifles and snuffs out free-agency of the individual.

I didn't say I know all the answers SPQR7OAD. I just shared a couple of conclusions that I have come to over my many years and do make sense to me personally. You are free to embrace or reject such principles.

Thanks,

CP

Renee Marie's avatar

“Hell” is here already. Hell is the absence of God, Light, Truth.

Each human being decides what they want.

SPQR70AD's avatar

yes the 100K women babies and little girls killed in Gaza chose to be bombed to protoplasm. christianity was invented by the jews the devils spawn. do you understand that?

Dennis Merwood's avatar

Betcha you can't prove this wild claim, Yellowrose!

Nobody can claim to know God's Will - Christopher Hitchens

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yFEEmTcWWtY

Even Christians fight over which sect or denomination "knows" God's will.

So how are we supposed to pick the right one to believe?

YellowRose's avatar

Hitchens knows now what is TRUTH. Unfortunately he can’t come back from where he is to tell you he was wrong. Is Hitchens your god? You seem to have put all your faith in him, a mere man.

Dennis Merwood's avatar

I don't believe in any Gods, my dear!

BTW how do you know he was wrong?

Thats pretty presumptuous.

How do you know you are right? LOL

There's no arrogance like Christian humility and no ignorance like Christian knowledge.

Karen DuBose Cook's avatar

As a believer in Christ, whom I humbly submit to , I will tell you, there comes a time when you just « know ». I sincerely hope you come to know, & I say this from a place of love.

Don, great summarization. Once again, the evils of this world have scored yet another victory, but Truth always comes to light.

Dennis Merwood's avatar

Which God? Zeus? Poseidon? Shiva? Ganesh? Rah? Krishna? Jesus? Allah? Or the other 2,992 gods? Religion: Folks killing each other over who has the best imaginary friend.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle.

We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been so gullible. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back. - Carl Sagan

We must beware of those who claim to know God’s “word.”

They don’t know any more than we do.

WHAT THEY WANT IS NOT TRUTH, BUT POWER OVER YOU.

The bolder their interpretations, the more power they want.

More humans have been traumatized, tortured, trivialized, terrorized, terminated, brutalized, minimized, murdered, maimed, marginalized, & mistreated in the name of one deity or another than have been over land, political power, & wealth combined.

You're never going to shame me into thinking I'm doing something wrong for the simple act of not believing in the same thing that you do.

“For all addicted religious person who lights a candle for me, then verily it shall be immediately bloweth out by me.

I didn't ask for your candle to be lit for me.

I don't want it. I don't need it.

Please have your Candle back thank you very much.” – the great atheist Cristopher Hitchens

The latest Pew Research finds that atheists and those who say their religion is "nothing in particular" is now 28%, THE LARGEST GOUP.

More prevalent among American adults than Catholics (23%) or evangelical Protestants (24%).

Americans are tired of religion being rammed down their throats.

Faith has never filled an empty belly, but many empty heads.

Repent of your preaching. Study science for its reliability, becoming educated in the process! Reality 101.

SPQR70AD's avatar

you forgot there is no hate like christian love

YellowRose's avatar

Speaking of presumptuous, Dennis, your claims about GOD and JESUS show total ignorance of the scriptures. It’s always interesting to me how people who reject GOD and JESUS so strongly know absolutely nothing about GOD and JESUS. They make themselves look like utter fools talking about something as though they are experts, when in reality, they have no knowledge at all on the subject. I don’t know what has happened to you in life but your bitterness against GOD is ill founded.

The fool says in his heart, “There is no God…”

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of GOD.

May you have an encounter with the GOD who created you and loves you so much that He sent His Son to die for your sins and save you so that you could spend eternity with Him, your Heavenly Father.

Dennis Merwood's avatar

I'm 77-years-old. Raised in a Cristian family.

Read the Bible every day and prayed to "God" every morning and night.

With as much humility as I could muster.

Went to Church every Sunday. Taught kids Sunday School.

Attended many adult Bible Classes. Went to Bible camps.

Betcha I now the New Testament better than 90% of Christians.

Wana try me!

"I don’t know what has happened to you in life but your bitterness against GOD is ill founded."

At 56-years-old "God" had never revealed himself to me. Not once.

I finally figured out that I had been brainwashed as a young child. And it was all bovine excrement! Either God did not give a shit, or he did not exist. I threw of my chains and shackles of tyrannical religion and learned to think for myself. And have been a happy atheist ever since. The best thing I ever did. I changed my life for the better.

Most Christians have devoted most of their life to the religion and are very susceptible to the sunk cost fallacy. They hold on to this belief for so long that even if they see the flaws in it, they feel that they just wasted part of their life, so they hold onto it to feel better.

I don't see why I should believe the bible at all. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God…” is actually evidence for me of the dishonesty of the bible writers.

"Those who don't agree are stupid." is not an honest argument.

Moreover, every time theists use this verse, they prove their own dishonesty or ignorance. Here's the rest of the paragraph, for context.

"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

So, are you accusing me of being corrupt, of having done "abominable works? Or are you saying that no atheist ever has done anything good? If you are; then fuck you, and look around. Religion is not an indicator of general good behavior. So, this verse, taken into its context, shows the bible is full of shit.

"But to us who are being saved it is the power of GOD."

God saved you because he has a special plan for you….. You so special.

No, you're not; you are just a human the same as everyone else.

The arrogance of religion rears its ugly head.

May you have an encounter with the GOD who created you and loves you so much that He sent His Son to die for your sins and save you so that you could spend eternity with Him, your Heavenly Father.

Ultimately, as with so many expressions it all comes down to intent. But the next time a Christian says, "May you have an encounter with the GOD who created you and loves you so much that He sent His Son to die for your sins and save you so that you could spend eternity with Him, your Heavenly Father"..notice how the sentence is used.

Is it a kind expression of love and concern, or is it what it is meant to be ~ a big ole slap in your face? "I am superior to you. I have access to truths you do not. I am special. I know the truth. You are ignorant and stupid!"

There's no hate like Christian love, no arrogance like Christian humility and no ignorance like Christian knowledge.

“For all addicted religious person who lights a candle for me, then verily it shall be immediately bloweth out by me.

I didn't ask for your candle to be lit for me.

I don't want it.

I don't need it.

Please have your Candle back thank you very much.” – the great atheist Cristopher Hitchens

Cankerpuss's avatar

"Even Christians fight over which sect or denomination "knows" God's will."

And they interpret the same scriptures to mean wildly different things.

YellowRose's avatar

No I can’t prove it to you. You can’t prove it isn’t true. You get to choose GOD or reject HIM. He gives you free will. If I’m wrong, then it doesn’t matter. We are all just dead in the end. If you’re wrong, you’ve missed the life you were created for and that we all seek and hope for, an eternal life of peace and love and joy where there is no more evil, no more pain, no more sickness and no more death.

What a gamble for those who refuse to seek TRUTH for themselves.

brasky's avatar

Now, actually, he doesn't. Fuck God. Name one asshole that's come back from the afterlife to confirm that assholes in the here and now get what's coming to them.

Fuck your Judaic God. You're a big part of the problem believing in that horseshit. Get fucked in the ass your whole life believing in some horseshit reward that's going to come at the end that nobody's ever seen. Fucking idiot.

brasky's avatar

Fuck God. The only way to improve the hear and now is to keep people accountable in the here and now. Name one asshole that's come back from the afterlife to ensure us all that the bad people get's what's coming to them? Name fucking one. I say again: fuck your Judaic God.

SPQR70AD's avatar

yes it would get me sick when I hear people say about an evil man...he will answer to god. I want a rotten bastard like bibi satanyaju to suffer NOW and others like them

YellowRose's avatar

I see you do have gods, Dennis. You just named another one. You put your belief and faith in men who can’t prove their claims about GOD or JESUS. They say what their master Satan tells them to say in order to deceive those who are open to hear his lies because they reject God’s Truth. Whoever you put your faith/belief in is your god. As I said earlier, YOU get to choose. Up until you breathe your last breath on earth. After that, your choice is irrevocable. If you seek Him, you will find Him. And I will end with this as I do not want to create more distraction to Mr. Jeffries Substack.

The GOD of all creation loves you even as you reject and deny HIM. Nothing you say or do, including your unbelief, will cause Him to stop loving you. But YOUR unbelief will direct your path toward LIGHT or darkness. The implications of that are so much greater than you understand. Humble yourself and seek HIM.

Cankerpuss's avatar

For cursed is he who putteth his faith in the arm of flesh. For flesh always faileth.

liam's avatar

God put us here on earth for multiple reasons. Did anyone think that maybe man's work is to burn the trash?

SPQR70AD's avatar

he put us here to suffer

liam's avatar

I don’t believe that for one instant...Earth is the place of suffering...we are here because we are ignorant of that fact...

SaHiB's avatar

Mostly just for the afterlife, however, and then execution is often long delayed. (Black magic people have ways to stave it off.)

YellowRose's avatar

Yes I do believe in GOD. Do your own research on who He is or wait til you take your last breath. He gave you free will. If you’re right and He doesn’t exist, oh well. We all turn back to dirt. If I’m right and He is who He says He is in His Word, I’ll be alive with Him in heaven for eternity and you will be alive in hell for eternity. That’s a pretty big gamble. Are you willing to take that gamble? Choice is yours.

Czarlazar's avatar

You actually believe in God after seeing the most evil among us get away with crimes, again and again and again? Does God know what’s happening in Gaza? If so, what’s he doing about it? Perhaps he’s ‘keeping the books’ for that as well? He’ll surely have a long list of cases to adjudicate when the mythical Judgement Day rolls around…

YellowRose's avatar

To clarify my comment about churches, there are many many good churches all over the world, but often people have a bad church experience so they walk away from God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit because of imperfect churches with imperfect people. Never walk away from GOD because of imperfect churches and imperfect people. GOD alone is worthy of glory, honor, worship and praise.

Czarlazar's avatar

I’ve never seen this God of which you speak. And most people who suffer or are killed on this earth haven’t seen him either, because he refuses to intervene when people are in greatest need of protection.

YellowRose's avatar

God bless you for your courage in calling all of this what it is. I pray Virginia is in a place of peace at last. She was a human being and she matttered as much as any human being ever born. I wonder if anyone ever told her that? If anyone ever treated her with love and respect and gave her hope? It doesn’t seem like it. I pray her tragic death will cause the TRUTH of what these monsters did to her and so many others like Virginia to finally be exposed. I pray her children will have a life very different from what their mother experienced.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

Thanks, YellowRose!

Robert Minall's avatar

When it comes to Dershowitz, the phrase " he doth protest too much" comes to mind. This Epstein/mossad gatekeeper still hasn't stopped proclaiming his "innocence" regarding sexual abuse allegations from Epstein/ Maxwell victims. He is on record advocating repealing statutory rape laws. This former darling of the left has been making inroads cozying up to bullsh*t " conservatives." While a professor at Harvard, this pervert would prance around nude on beaches frequented by his female law students - this according to, yes, his female law students. By jumping in and providing legal defense for Trump, he has been successful in muddying the Epstein waters, and, sadly, may have enough influence in stifling large portions of the so-called Epstein files. He's a demonic figure if I ever saw one.

RIP Virginia. May the Lord embrace you and ease your suffering.

Thanks Don

Donald Jeffries's avatar

Dershowitz has been a repugnant public figure for decades, Robert. He's like a walking advertisement for anti-Semitism. Thanks.

Robert Minall's avatar

Haha.....so true!

Wendy Lee Hermance's avatar

It’s interesting that the “feminists” are silent. Nothing from the AOCs or The View. It is only the conservatives, including men who are speaking out and giving this heroic young woman and mother her tribute. I am really grateful that you wrote this column.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

I appreciate that, Wendy. Yes, the feminists are very selective in their outrage. They loved Bill Clinton. Remember the presidential kneepads? And they don't utter a peep in any of the countless cases where high profile Black athletes are accused of crimes against women. Unless they could tie Donald Trump to this, they have no interest. Thanks.

Christy Schrage's avatar

He’s very tied to Epstein

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Christy Schrage's avatar

I was good friends with a victim. He was involved.

RE Nichols's avatar

It's as though all these feminist "heroes" get all their causes handed to them in the form of nearly identical scripts.

Christy Schrage's avatar

Well, the Epstein victims all were assaulted the same way.

Brian Wirth's avatar

There is something about someone close to you committing suicide when you damn well know they didn't. You never get over it. One of my closest friends was a tax accountant who also handled immigration cases. One Saturday afternoon, he went out to post fliers promoting his business. He never came home. His wife called the police to report a missing person. They said you gotta give him 24 hours. She went to his office at 11:30 pm. He wasn't there.

At 8am the next morning she went back. He was lying there with a bullet hole in his head with a gun in his left hand. She said he never owned a gun and I know he was right-handed. After a short investigation, the law declared suicide and that was the end of it. Forever. This was 30 years ago. His two daughters don't believe it. His wife doesn't believe it. I don't believe it either. We are never the same.

Great essay, Don and thanks.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

I appreciate you sharing that disturbing story, Brian. For some reason, the police have an instinctive tendency to say "no foul play," even if there are no obvious political ramifications. Just one more reason why they simply aren't worth what taxpayers pay them. Thanks.

Brian Wirth's avatar

I suppose if you were a rich guy, they might listen a little bit but if you are a little "nowhere man" they just don't care. Thanks.

Jerri Hinojosa's avatar

The best evidence this wasn’t a suicide is that Roberts Guiffre didn’t plaster the list on every utility pole, bathroom stall and blast emails to every media outlet on earth before dying. It was her life’s mission to see Epstein’s “clients” held to account. Why would she kill herself without trying to get the list out first?

Donald Jeffries's avatar

And we don't know if she left a note, Jerri. That will probably never be disclosed. Thanks.

Jerri Hinojosa's avatar

She was marinated in the world of the rich and powerful long enough to know a suicide note with names would never see the light of day. If a note is ever revealed, it’ll probably say “I’m sorry to everyone I wrongly accused. I made it all up.”

liam's avatar

Douchebag Dershowitz is a total squealing pig!

RIP, Virginia Giuffre. Thank you for your service, a true warrior!

Donald Jeffries's avatar

She tried, Liam. Thanks.

Kris's avatar

The Epstein scandal was a Mossad honeypot. Epstein is alive in Israhell...or wherever Mossad agents retire to. They killed JFK in broad daylight and have gotten away with it for 62 years. Killing Virginia was all in a day's work for Mossad.

Dee's avatar

Yes, Kris, it's looking that way more and more. Why were they so reticent in releasing info on that JFK thing even this many years later? It reflects on the U.S.'s numero uno "friend and ally." Jacob Rubenstein revealed the source just two days later and people accepted his "I just want to keep Jackie from having to come back to Dallas" excuse. Lol, he threw his life away for that.

More fine commentary, Donald. I listened to that panel discussion you were on with half a dozen or so others, including Cory Hughes. He gave you a compliment on another podcast where he talked about that discussion. Of all those people, you were the only one he liked.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

I appreciate hearing that about Corey, Dee. Thanks!

James Bernard Shepard's avatar

She didn't just try, she succeeded. If it weren't for her sacrifice we wouldn't know as much as we know now about those bastards.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

Very true, James. Thanks.

Mark Harrison's avatar

Thank you, Mr. Jeffries, for remembering Virginia, a beautiful woman who never deserved this life. Exposing evil is important. It wakes up others to our plight. We are indeed in Satanic times, brought about by satan’s people who walk around us every day.

Perhaps the world has always been ruled by evil, I don’t know, but I do know that beautiful woman didn’t deserve her fate, and I feel she is at peace now.

May the All powerful Father grant you peace and continued strength.

Mark

Donald Jeffries's avatar

I appreciate that, Mark. Thanks.

The Watchman's avatar

"Of course, we are still waiting for that Epstein List. It appears to be headed for a spot in the bottomless American Memory Hole, right next to The DC Madam’s “black book,” and the laptops of Anthony Weiner and Hunter Biden." Oh and add Hillary's emails to this as well.

I'm sure the NSA could pull those up if they really wanted them!!

Remember when "Orange Man" called her "Crooked Hillary"?

Ah, but that was just to win over the fan base. That was soon forgotten the minute he got elected. Just another made up promise from the "Donald" and he's still doing the same.

To quote the late singer/song writer, Dan Fogelberg

"Promises made, Promises broken, Measures of our demise"

Linking as usual @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/

Donald Jeffries's avatar

Yes, lots of other things at the bottom of the Memory Hole, Watchman. Thanks.

V. Agnelli Jr's avatar

Well done Don! You used to work in a hospital. I'm sure you've seen a corpse. I have. That photo of her, looks like she's already dead. Those are the eyes of a dead person. Open, darkened, looking to her right when the phone camera was obviously up above her left side, and what about the probe connectors on her chest? They don't leave those on (well these days you never know) if they're taking you off the monitoring equipment. If that X message was real, that she had renal failure, she would have still been on a monitor.

I see you have a lot of posts on this one and no doubt it will get higher. Just thought I would share a few things I noticed, as a "who done it" fan and writer.

Yours in liberty,

vince

Donald Jeffries's avatar

Good observations, Vince. The picture is very strange. If the bus accident was no big deal, why does she look like that, with the thing on her chest- not sure what that is- don't see anything leading out to a monitor. I'm sure there will be an honest inquiry lol. Thanks.

V. Agnelli Jr's avatar

Having had my pop in the ER twice in the past 6 months, I can tell you those are self-sticking monitor probes. They have self-sticking tape on the body side. They use up to ten or so. When you get discharged, they get pulled off. (or if you die) She doesn't look like she was about to be released. Major trauma to the head and face that is obvious. Also, the upper part of her left arm, looks to be even with her side. If she took a selfie, she must have had an extra long left forearm! It was a very poorly staged photo. I would suspect some nimrod from the PD or the Military who was not adept at spy craft and themselves will be found dead soon as well, with no apparent connection to the victim.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

I appreciate the informed perspective, Vince. Certainly sounds very strange. Thanks.

Wade Garrett's avatar

ECG electrode pads, sometimes they leave them on for future monitoring if they suspect heart problems...

Jean-Baptiste Guillory's avatar

The most fascinating part of it all is the mere fact that we are even having this conversation. The society is manifestly broken and regular people are just fodder. I mean, every aspect of our existence of this land is exploited in one way or another. Does it really matter how she died? I mean she was relatively young and it appears her soul has had enough. Foul play? Probably, but it doesn't matter because she was broken by the evil wrongdoers, that we do know, she knew too much, about too many people, and that is a recipe for a "tragedy." Natural or otherwise.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

You have a point, Jean. She could have committed suicide, but if so she was unquestionably driven to it by the circumstances of her association with Epstein. Thanks.

Jean-Baptiste Guillory's avatar

Donald, "the evil ones are ravaging people." People are just fodder. Playthings.

Noah Otte's avatar

RIP Virginia Giuffre 🇺🇸🫡❤️🌸🌺💐🕯️🕊️May her memory be a blessing! We may never know the whole truth about what happened to Virginia Giuffre. But this much we do know, she didn’t commit suicide. She was murdered most likely, by one of the powerful men she had accused or who’s name she knew but couldn’t reveal. The so-called “bus crash” was nothing of the sort. It’s was an attempt on her life.

The second attempt sadly was successful. I can’t say for sure what happened, but I believe she was killed by a hitman hired by Alan Dershowitz. As crazy as it sounds, I believe it to be true. She had accused him publicly for years of being one of those who had abused her. Then all of a sudden one day she retracts? It is clear there was a campaign behind the scenes to get her to shut up. But Mr. Dershowitz wasn’t content with that, he wanted her gone altogether.

Why did she all of a sudden get divorced from a husband she loved, had been with for 22 years and with whom she shared three children? It could only have been because of the threats and attempts on her life by Dershowitz and those he paid to do his dirty work. I’m sure the other powerful men who were involved whoever they may be, weren’t too upset about all these developments either.

Like the DC Madam, Epstein’s associates and many others, she was murdered so no one would ever know the names of the powerful people with whom they associated. Ghislaine Maxwell has stayed silent because she knows if she doesn’t she’s next. She also remembers well what happened to her father Robert Maxwell when he became a liability. I believe rogue elements of the Mossad killed Maxwell because he had gotten nervous as his financial crimes were revealed. So he decided if he was gonna go down so we’re they. His connections therefore had him assassinated and did an extensive cover-up.

Returning to Virginia, I hope someday in the future, we will know what really happened to her. She was a brave woman who risked her life to bring out the truth. Donald Trump and Kash Patel are the only ones in the American government who have made any attempt at all to figure out what really happened in the Epstein case. This is why she endorsed Trump for President. I hope and pray that the Trump administration will somehow, someway release that client list.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

I think the "bus crash" is key here, Noah. What was that all about? Why did her face look like someone had beaten her? Thanks.

James Eubanks's avatar

I agree. Nothing will be released. Maybe a few more will die, just to make sure.

All this, because powerful, narcissistic men want thrills. It is global, and they are probably doing other things that we don't see.

There is something to the old Christian belief that sex is the easiest and most common entrance for the demonic to get control of humans.

Donald Jeffries's avatar

No question that sex is the easiest for men at least, James. Thanks.

Nancy Bryson's avatar

Alcohol and drugs might be a close second.

Realist's avatar

Somethings make me think this planet is a shit hole.

Cankerpuss's avatar

The planet itself is an amazing and beautiful place. What failed humanity have done upon the surface of this planet is the shit hole. Humanity is the shit, my friend.

Realist's avatar

"Humanity is the shit, my friend."

That is true of many.